And we're at this - you know, another moment in our country. She supports universal health care. I think he's going back to messages of the past. But I just think that, you know, to brand me or anyone else with that label is just Cold War rhetoric that is targeting a specific population, and that's the population that remembers and lived through the Cold War. Now, I was clear in terms of my comments that you won't hear that again. And I'm really worried that it's going to have a negative effect on African Americans because if you look up at Portland, that's not - those aren't African Americans protesting. I say refund the communities because the whole point is that over the last 30 years, we have had no problem pouring however amount of money into police, into prisons, into jails, while we have cut funding for social services and, in particular, for mental health. I apologize. Copyright © 2020 NPR. I mean, what do you think of the word socialist? And I completely agree with that. He said he knows an admirer of yours who said she's not someone who bristles. KAREN BASS: I would describe myself as a lifelong activist committed to fighting for social and economic justice my entire life. I think that's unacceptable. GREENE: I want to ask you, if I can, about one fire you put out recently. Thank you so much. Again, I am so laser-focused on making a very serious difference for people. She's a Democrat whose district includes a good bit of Los Angeles. And some Florida Democrats are deeply worried that this could hurt not just your efforts, but also Joe Biden's efforts to battle the socialist label. Why do we criminalize poverty? BASS: Well, not even speaking about the job, I think what Mr. Will was referring to is my willingness to work with anyone and everyone to achieve the goal of change. Accuracy and availability may vary. Joe Biden has named Kamala Harris as his running mate, making the California senator the first Black and South Asian American woman to run on a major political party's presidential ticket. BASS: Well, oh, absolutely. Elizabeth Warren. Why do you think someone like George Will would see you as the best choice for that job? BASS: Well, let me just tell you that I think that the whole defund movement has raised such an important issue. I think that's the most important issue. So we need to reinvest in our communities. So his message to the suburbs is complete racial coding. I think that that is rhetoric on the right wing that is red meat in the same way now that the president is talking about law and order. BASS: Well, not Watts, by the way. I just don't think it's acceptable behavior. I believe that what is happening in Florida now that is the No. He is trying to do everything he can to be divisive racially. Rep. Karen Bass Is On The Short List To Be Joe Biden's Running Mate NPR's David Greene talks to … Do you never raise your voice? GREENE: Some have described you as more of a progressive than a moderate. We really appreciate the time. We Insist: A Timeline Of Protest Music In 2020. If I raise my voice, it's either because I'm joking or need to contact somebody that's far away. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by Verb8tm, Inc., an NPR contractor, and produced using a proprietary transcription process developed with NPR. Maybe we could call this part of the program, they could be vice president. Kamala, Warren & More: The Notable Names Joe Biden Has Considered to Be His Running Mate Former Vice President Joe Biden is expected to make his running-mate announcement this week. And a socialist label of the Democratic Party is going back to the Cold War. The authoritative record of NPR’s programming is the audio record. (SOUNDBITE OF KAMASI WASHINGTON'S "CONNECTIONS"). You sort of praised him at the time of his death, calling him comandante en jefe - commander and chief. And this person also said that they had never heard you raise your voice. BASS: Well, I mean, I think that Joe Biden is going to be called a socialist. I did live through it. But when they're setting fire to things, when they're vandalizing things, I really worry that that's going to have a backlash that's going to hurt Black people because we are going to be held responsible for what's going on when it's not even Black people that are doing it. But how does that help anyone? I was just a child (laughter). I think the entire Democratic party is going to be called a socialist. But let me draw a very big distinction between that and the violence that we're seeing, because one of the things that really concerns me about Portland and some of the other cities is that I'm not really sure what the agenda is. And is there a different rallying cry under which you think people could gather? GREENE: You've said that defund the police, which has been part of this rallying cry right now, is not an effective slogan. GREENE: This feels like such an angry moment for a lot of people. GREENE: At the same time, you had this veteran conservative commentator recently, George Will, come out and back you and say that he would love to see you as Joe Biden's running mate. I say it differently. Why don't we help people, as opposed to - why do we criminalize mental illness, which is what we have done? Joe Biden says he has his eye on a dozen women as potential running mates, but those close to him believe the list of top prospects is likely far shorter as … So you know, yelling and screaming might make me feel good. I say refund. 1 concern is the pandemic that is completely out of control because you have a governor who's a mini-me to the president, who has used denial as a strategy. Why is that? I do not. And, I mean, I know you have guided your community in California through some angry moments, I mean, in the wake of police violence against African Americans - Rodney King's beating, the Watts riots. BASS: No. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. I just don't think that's productive. I mean, you lived through it. She's an advocate of gun control and wants to reform the criminal justice system. Warren hasn't endorsed anyone in the Democratic nomination fight since ending … I think it's absolutely unacceptable to have an adult temper tantrum. All rights reserved. We are meeting some of the people on Democrat Joe Biden's short list of potential running mates. I mean, what do I produce by screaming and yelling? I started by asking if she would describe herself and her political goals. But... GREENE: Sorry. She's the daughter of a postal worker. BASS: I did. Why do we criminalize people who have social and economic issues? And people in Florida are dying. What do you say to people who say, with respect, this is a moment to raise voices? Rep. Karen Bass Is On The Short List To Be Joe Biden's Running Mate : NPR. Is that an assessment that you're claiming? And so I think I can be extremely effective with, again, not having an adult temper tantrum. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. GREENE: The people who are on the streets crying out for racial justice in cities like Portland, Ore., and elsewhere, are - do you support them being out there very angry and raising their voices? Lesson learned. GREENE: Representative Bass, real pleasure talking to you. You walked back a comment you had made some years ago after Cuban leader Fidel Castro died. The racial coding of law and order is also to target a specific population, a population that is being led to believe that the reason why they are experiencing economic insecurity is because of people of color. What does that get me? Now, they might be protesting on behalf of Black Lives Matter. I think that's an extremely important role. Let me just tell you that the reason, in my opinion, why we were able to get the George Floyd Justice in Policing Bill even brought up in the House, let alone being passed, is because people were on the street protesting. She's also chair of the Congressional Black Caucus. And this morning, we get to know Representative Karen Bass. GREENE: I want to ask you one other thing that George Will wrote. NPR's David Greene talks to Democratic Rep. Karen Bass, a potential vice presidential pick, about Black Lives Matter, gun control and reforming the criminal justice system.
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