Gee, CareBear, werent you paying attention to my comments??? I discovered that he was honestly mistaken when I studied the Catholic faith. Dr. Beckwith has not made anything personal, but it seems everyone, and especially James White, sure has made it personal. I should add that the result of the six-step progression I just documented is that so-called apologetics becomes an exercise in arguing about who is more offensive than whom. Ditto his successors, the Caliphsor at least the first four, the so-called rightly-guided Caliphs. Abu Bakr Siddique Mosque, Erasmia, South Africa, North-West University, Potchestfroom, South Africa, Southern Evangelical Seminary, Charlotte, North Carolina, With Michael Brown vs. Sir Anthony Buzzard and Joseph Good, London, England, Unbelievable Radio Broadcast, Grace Reformed Babptist Church, Long Island, NY. The Earlier Epistle of John Acts 4:10-12 Are you a disciple? James is obviously in the end stage of the affliction. but immediately returns to his rants His debate opponents have included scholars such as Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Marcus Borg, Robert M. Price, Joe Ventilacion of Iglesia ni Cristo[19] and popularizers such as Dan Barker and John Shelby Spong[20] James White has criticized fundamentalist views and King James Onlyism. And Ill forgive you and Jimmy and anyone else nonetheless. Churchmouse??? The Question is, can they do anything about it? how Satanic and corrupt all these new Just how have I lied, CareBear? Plan on explaining to me how, if Bob claims to have a divinely-inspired Canon of Scripture, and Fred claims to have a slightly different divinely-inspired Canon, one is to determine which (if either) Canon is truly divinely-inspired and therefore the real Canon? I would like to say that no amount of defending on anyones part can make what White did seem like an appropriate response to a call to charity. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. Esau, Youre just employing sarcasm alone which would lead anyone to believe you dont have anything substantative to add to it so, can I safely assume argument is over and all this hubub about Dr. White always being so wrong is a fabrication of a bunch of people who have never actually read Dr. White to begin with? In short, you either need to be divinely inspired yourself to know, or you need (Divine) testimony which is beyond doubt. Apologies for not being clearer in my statement earlier. Another example of uncharitable construction of anothers thoughts. (And he enjoys throwing some mud against those of us who arent of his specific theology, on top of it, so we Methodists arent exactly in his good graces, either, I reckon.) CareBear, *we dont care* what insanity you want to bring out. God became man. There is a point where its reasonable to walk away. He didnt just know the address. Registrant City:Riverside Im not going to repeat the argument just for you to ignore it again and waste time. Jeff is a popular speaker for camps, conferences, churches & schools across the nation. Rephrase. The intellectual answers will come in time, but theres another aspect to consider as well. Their main goal, as stated, has nothing to do with theological background to the flames of this controversy but is simply to defend the posting of the pictures. A few minor edits help it along. Unfortunately, James White is a big I noted today another fascinating post from Art Sippo, the Catholic lay apologist (and writer of odd pulp fiction stories). Enough of this nonsense. Putting out a pad of paper for people to share their thoughts with one another is not the same as being willing to be cross-examined. redefine repentance to mean a Even I could read Scripture in a variety of ways. youre not listening to his Testa-baloney Scandal (skandalon) something that gives offense or causes revulsion, that which arouses opposition; the cause of ruin or destruction (Isaiah 8:14; Romans 9:33; 1 Peter 2:8) And dearest Father, sweet Abba, I pray that if this pain is to Theo, as the thorn in the flesh was to Paul, that You in Your mercy would allow Theo to recognise that. You have made your point abundantly clear: we deserve it. Minimalist tattoo ideas are well-appreciated by those who do not have the experience of getting inked before. 1:10). The images are disgusting to ordinary human sensibilities because they imply moral equivalence where such a claim is outrageous and offensive. watch them). Is everything in Foxes book of martyrs a mere fabrication? Christ said: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into, the kingdom of God (John 3:5). Many people can express frustration quite effectively without resorting to photos like those. Crowds of faithful followers of Rome had gathered in the parking lot in support of the Charitable Dr. Beckwith, calling for my immediate repentance and adoption of charity Ray found out about the albino monk assassins weve sent out to stone James White! Thats the kind of thing Im talking about. I dont know. Esau, *YAWN* The Patriarchs And the illogic of sola scriptura is so simple: Its not in the scriptures. For the most popular and easy proof is by parallel; and here there is no parallel. Apologetics is the giving of a logical defense, yet Ive seen little of that. The Manner of the Kingdom[2] Read the post. Arent you guys going to protest regarding THE DECEPTION by White & Co. Eldad and Modad Here are some I forgot Jimmys blog doesnt carry formatting through paragraph breaks. This thread has been painful reading. The Calvinist Club, Sola Scriptura, Purgatory, Purgatory: 1 Corinthians 3 and Tim Staples, Art Sippo on 1 Corinthians 3 and Purgatory, Called to Cyprian Responding to Anders Historical Error, The Audio for the Marian Dogmas Debate has been Posted, Top Ten Reasons NOT to Join the Roman Catholic Church. And the illogic of sola scriptura is so simple: Its not in the scriptures. Apparently nobody when you consider the following denominations and their doctrines: Well, my husband-to-be just called, so Ive no more time to waste on you for a while. Seriously, try to keep the contradictions at least a post or two apart. Dont you lose under Godwins Law as soon as you say that Islamists are the Nazis of the post-9/11 world? Guys, Sandys our Gnostic Troll, not a sincere Bible Christian. You shouldnt cut-and-paste a huge amount of garbage into someone elses com box. Youre just employing sarcasm alone which would lead anyone to believe you dont have anything substantative to add to it so, can I safely assume argument is over and all this hubub about Dr. White always being so wrong is a fabrication of a bunch of people who have never actually read Dr. White to begin with? Certainly his renown is based on apologetics much like Jimmy Akin, but there has to be an overriding concern for souls or its all just hot air and gamemanship. Assuming a Conclusion (James White is innocent) based on a rather biased examination of what appears to be little facts about the subject matter Albeit, as born-again How can you say it is SDGs personal determination when it is you who says it is? I wont let the people in this com box color my judgments on the catholic faith because I still have respect for itbut i wonder when i see so called catholics acting so uuncharitable and rude . God can do as He pleases. Jessica if you feel a need to forgive myself and the host of this site for being Catholic, go for it. Foxfier, Remember nowsubstance. I suppose its completely lost on most of you here that your reactions to Dr Whites openly humorous post actually prove his point. The Book of the Wars of the Lord Have you heard the other side of the story? I have come to the conclusion that Mr White is in the throes of some complete mental collapse. CareBear: How could you! I dont care enough to count. I will claim that he has done the deadliest thing for a humorist: failed to make his audience laugh. That cost a good deal more than this little stunt. Wouldnt they then be more intruiged to find out more about him, seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? With each passing phase of His unfolding of revelation in Scripture, canon (infalible) remained current and infallible, fully reflective (by necessity) of the ongoing work of enscripturation. And, as he is becoming more stupid, I can only imagine it as a sign that he is moving closer to Rome Just as no sensible person would read tabloids for serious news (even if serious news were in fact printed in them), I dont think White should be taken seriously as an apologist (even if his serious work is very good, which it may be for all I know) until he can figure out how to have conversations without making his opposing parties angry at him. Posted by: Churchmouse | Aug 10, 2007 10:51:50 AM. The Chronicles of King Ahasuerus[21] Here is the context of my comment in my Aug. 11, 11:15 pm post: Most of you are practically drooling on yourselves over this. We deserve the pictures. What Did Jesus Preach - Christianity or Islam? righteous thing that I can do!. Churchmouse has finally revealed THE FINAL ACT as seen in her latest comments above! He is allowing Satan a stronghold in his ministry, and I think he will find that ministry will not be as fruitful. Since when is it anyones duty to prove innocence? Finally I see now the ruse!!! We started a prayer thread for Dr White on the Prayer Forum of Catholic Answers. Funny. You. The Gospel according to Barnabas What he likely doesnt realize is that he could spend three months or three years documenting the charge, and White would still do the same thing. corrupt Bible versions (although he admits he doesn't support all of them). Donate God Bless. Christ did not choose only one disciple. I have one thing to say about Dr. White: Golden Gate Theological Seminary. The argument from unity accomplishes nothing because it doesnt exist. As for your second, some other day perhaps you can tell me what you think should means. For one thing Im sure we Catholics agree with a whole lot of his beliefs on basic Christian truths and on many social issues. Blecchh. Why dont you just summarize it for me, if you think it has bearing on this issue. He did not so admit. The actual point is that White posted an asinine photoshop making an asinine comparison between his Catholic opponents and violence-threatening Islamofascist fanatics. Jeff was featured on a series for the History Channel, The Stoned Ages which reviewed the Christian approach and philosophy concerning drug and alcohol addiction. After 30 minutes of accusations, he responds not with a dissertation, but with maybe a single paragraph worth of words, mostly from scripture, and always ending with a question that is not intended to be answered, but something to be contemplated on. How, where, and to whom did God reveal the infallible canon? I apologize for jumping the gun and mischaracterizing you. O Threadhijacker lol, Eileen. I will not argue this point with him. Try it just once and youll see. You cant have it both ways, both definitive and conditional. Living word. Pretty much actually. Now, I have also read that it was a judgement on inhospitability. The win is by forfeiture, which is unsatisfying to everyone because it means that no one benefits from new insights from either side. Thats a weak objection. So let us continue to pray for a reform of the reform and restore back to all things in Christ including a reverent Traditional Latin Mass and true teachings that not all faiths can lead to salvation, only the One True Church, the Catholic Church Just because you are getting an alpha omega tattoo, does not mean you have to stick to only those Greek symbols. 2. SINstitute and Bob Jones PANTSiversity) who say they prefer and mainly use http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2004/10/forgiveness_rev.html For those who argue Sola Scriptura with Catholics the stakes are high. With fearful knowledge that Jesus our Lord shall judge my poor imitation of Christ in this and all my doings, I nevertheless remain your servant and brother in Christ, He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone. Think of it as a healthy kind of check-and-balance system. 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. Someone named Guardian posted a link to Jamewrwhite.org, it re-directs to Catholic Answers, three hours later Mr. White is ranting that we did it, and the threat kind of devolved into trying to explain that it would be a really stupid thing for someone pro-Catholic Answers to do. Churchmouse, that is the height of rudeness. God, in writing the scriptures through the hands of men, seeks to express, present and incarnate Himself to the world in a new way. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. Since the url http://www.jameswhite.org leads to Catholic Answers; therefore, Catholic Answers owns (is responsible for) it! But its starting to look to me like almost everyone who White squares off against winds up feeling personally offended. Isnt that a littleobsessive? //Calling on Godwins law is a form of neener, neener. [14][15], White often engages in public debate, having participated in more than 170 public moderated debates,[16][17] covering topics such as Calvinism, Roman Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Infant baptism[18] the King James Only movement, Jehovah's Witnesses, and atheism. I know I dont always). If anyone wants to discuss the matter of the humor in Dr. Whites picture in a serious and polite manner, please, feel free to e-mail me. Its like Nietzsche said: His disciples will have to look more saved if I am to believe in their Savior. Or like Chesterton said: There is only one unanswerable argument against Christianity: Christians. In this case, Catholics. Hes frustrated. FAT CHANCE!!!! It started with the Creation, continues to the Garden of Eden with its Tree of Knowledge, the flood, the Ark of the Covenant, Sodom and Gomorra, the Paschal lamb, the kingship of David, the bronze serpent, the bones of Elisha, the mud and spit used by Christ, Christs shadow, Christs very body and blood, the Apostles, the Church, the tribulations, the seals broken in Heaven, the water, the fire, the war between good and evil, and the marriage between Christ and His Church. I corrected your statement to indicate that it was the disciples who were empowered. Are you that irrational? Calls for charity should be charitible. no? That doesnt mean I refuse to read it (or excerpts of it). Its amazing what having people around does for how one acts. Youll need to prove that canon is a product of tradition in order to corner me into the Well since you believe the canon is right you need to submit to Tradition routine. By that logic, I have a relationship of some form with Mr. Spock Ive been a fan for years, and have put up posts about him. And likewise, if we reflect Christ, we should give him the love that Christ would, yet the correction that comes with Church discipline. If defending against the irrational, overly-emotional, cry-wolf attitude of ten or twelve fanbois makes you ashamed to be a Christian, you need to seriously ask yourself some questions. I see no reason why anyone should get angry over them, instead of shaking his head and praying for whoever was foolish enough to think they were a good idea. every religious leader (they aren't Biblical Christians) who teach Lordship thus doesnt need to have the slightest relation to the site it forwards to. Oh no,there was a gem amongst the comments, to be sure; (602) 973-4602 (Metro Phoenix) Nameless, It seems only fair, then, that just as you would like people to listen to you for your expertise in apologetics, so you owe it to me to listen to my expert, although necessarily brief, evaluation of your blog pictures which is what Jimmy asked to be the topic under Tiber swim team 2005. There can be no excuse for this. Well, so much for the liberalization of the church, her mass, customs and teachings to bring in the Protestants, they still hate the church! Mr White, like the Emperor in the childrens story, is meandering down the main pike in his skivvies, afraid to admit that he cant see The Emperors New Clothes. Suspicious, eh? Donald, This is DISHONEST folks! . On the contrary, the greater the outrage, the more delicious the cake. Unfortunately, his works have some decent conentbut he lacks the general Christian character. Important point. 1. I wasnt offended. 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