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Matthew 14:15-16. in his justice and great righteousness, he does not oppress. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. 15 Outstanding Quotes To Recharge Your Preaching. Thats a rare find these days. I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. As you can see, she has warm words of praise and admiration for Serita Jakes (T.D.s wife). Some of the points you bring up give me pause. Or and be .. 2. - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) 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I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. And this faith is . Thank you! I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. on that if youre interested. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. There are two sources for fear: when we are caught up in something we did not count on, and when we are not in control. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. I dont know half of your theological terminology, Wow! Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. Ohmygoodness!!!! rather than on the Bible. Click here I would suggest beginning with the article entitled Jill in the Pulpit (youll have to scroll down a bit to get to it). Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. Our faith is rock solid if we have placed it in Godthe unchanging, perfect, eternal, sovereign One. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? I dont want my readers to believe something just on my (or anyone elses) say so. The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. No mention of sitting in silence or listening here nor in any of the other passages in which the Bible teaches about prayer. I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." Matthew 28:1-20, Denomination: But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. Id be interested, too! Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). After all, Scripture teaches that Scripture is sufficient. Go beyond putting ourselves first. TRUTH AND LOVE Do you interpret scripture to mean women should not witness to all people; share the gospel message to all nations not just other women or children? - Theres lingering sin. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. , an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic. If you need more information, Id suggest BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, CARM.org, GTY.org, and Apprising.org. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. read more, Scripture: Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! You do not want to get rid of fear entirely. Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). What is a defining moment? You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. :0), She also hangs out with Beth Moore. There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. Any more credible sources out there? The law in this case, being Scripture. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. She has been doing so for years. read more, Scripture: Next, as I hope you would agree, Scripture is our final authority as Christians. Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. #4b believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine and Osteens. Since you havent had a chance to question Priscilla about what she was talking about here (or maybe it was revealed in this Bible study? Do you send women to your articles as a response?. Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. I have no doubt that others have confronted her about these things. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Defining Moment; Joshua 24 Preached at Midway Community Church June 11, 2000; Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. One example that best showcases Priscillas penchant for eisegesis and poor hermeneutics can be found in this promotional video for her study,One in a Million: 0:46-This same God was supposed to be speaking to me, teaching to me, making Himself relevant to mein the regular rhythms of my everyday living. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? Sometimes the Bible can be difficult because it steps on our toes, but I promise, I will always point you Scripture, not to stories, fluff, false doctrine, or your own opinions, feelings, and experiences. There is no way to be saved by putting your faith in a false christ. Heres the thing. Elizabeth. Heres more info. Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? These believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine, and Osteens. Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. Who then do you believe has not sinned and is qualified to teach Gods Word? Matthew 6:9-13. Where does the Bible teach this? The sweet missionary who taught us wide-eyed teenagers has since passed into Heaven. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) Pentecostal. However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. Grr! The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. FOCAL POINT: TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS MUST AVOID. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. Our ladies Bible study is just about to start a Priscilla Shirer study and I was doing some research on Priscilla and found your blog (whew! 1 Samuel 30:6-8, Denomination: Then please feel free to ask Id be glad to help you or look it up. It will be called the good shepherd calls. A NIGHTMARE ON DESERT STREET! THE CALL? I had to look these babies up in the dictionary!) Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? Two of the three best known sources Ive listed, Justin Peters and Aimee Byrd, are Reformed. 5. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. on Fighting for the Faith, True Woman Conference Speaker Priscilla Shirer Hears Gods Still, Small Voice at Apprising Ministries, Priscilla Shirer and Contemplative/Centering Prayer at Apprising Ministries, He Speaks to Me (April 24, 2008) promo video by Priscilla Shirer, War Rooms Priscilla Shirers Contemplative History, and Why ItMattersat Berean Research, Review of Priscilla Shirers Sermon: The Multitude by Chris Rosebrough, Priscilla Shirer- Mystic by David Sheldon, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017at Emergent Watch, Priscilla Shirerat Fighting for the Faith, Fervent Warning on Priscilla Shirerat Christian Answers for the New Age, Why I do not recommend Kendrick Brothers new movie, War Room, part 2 at The End Time, War Room: A Review by Justin Peters at Worldview Weekend, Stand Firm: A Review of War Room at Satisfaction Through Christ, Reblogged this on Seth Dunn and commented: Titled line 1 could easily be construed to mean that we can hear God speak to us unbiblical! 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