Muons traveling to Earth, time dilation question. Thanks Galacar, I really love that statement of Viktor Schauberger. “the most precise experiment ” As if they want to score extra points! The authors claim this also proves the universal speed limit c. http://web.mit.edu/lululiu/Public/pixx/not-pixx/muons.pdf

is the mean proper lifetime of the muons:[3], In 1940 at Echo Lake (3240 m) and Denver in Colorado (1616 m), Bruno Rossi and D. B. Few things are not clear in your thought experiment- for example, you mentioned that the object is travelling at 0.8C, but with reference to whom and in what direction?

But when you apply relativity and time dilation, then the numbers add up.

I am no fan of relativity and time dilation and enjoy your hypotheses. The sun gets its energy from sub-atomic particle spin. From my research on the net, the distance they travel is about 6000m, not 16000, & take about 20uS, but supposedly live about 10x longer due to their speed. Assuming a mean lifetime of 2.2 μs, only 27 muons would reach this location if there were no time dilation. A much more precise experiment of this kind was conducted by David H. Frisch and Smith (1963), who measured approximately 563 muons per hour in six runs on Mount Washington. when muons are created in the atmosphere and fall to earth the earth clock runs faster.

The so called transverse waves that we see on the surface of a pond only represent the surface manifestation of the underlying longitudinal waves.

I call it as commonsense. Why? If it is not for democracy and freedom of speech, your ‘scientific’ crowd would have been punished long ago for propagandizing your absurd religious beliefs as science!

So to know the velocity (v) of an object or particle with respect to us, we need to know the distance (d) travelled by the object/particle as per our scale and we need to know the time (t) elapsed in our clock. This symmetry requires that the decay rates of particles and their antiparticles have to be the same.

As the waves propagate in the pond, they remain parallel to each other and hence don’t cross or interfere with each other. Something living longer is not a proof of time dilation. And I always have to laugh very very loud if someone writes something like And the results have always shown that the properties of muons are the same regardless of where they are measured. I recently developed a paper on a non-relativistic explanation for the unexpectedly (by relativists) high number of atmospheric muons reaching sea level that builds off of some of your ideas. All particles showing up in the detector for one frame will correspond to the termination of the worldlines of the particles, and those worldlines and termination events will be present in all inertial frames.

You too, Peter McMahon. (1977) measured the lifetime of positive and negative muons sent around a loop in the CERN Muon storage ring. If you want to really disprove my hypothesis and claim yourself as sane, then you must try to address each and every statement I have made against your crowd and counter each of them with rational arguments. the law of inertia of motion falls apart. 0 {\displaystyle M} It was only from that ‘speed of light’ came all the misunderstanding and mess in physics (including the wild equation e=mc squared). JavaScript is disabled.

Similarly when I say ‘relativists are stupid’ and go on to explain why, it doesn’t mean that I am personally attacking your crowd.

Anyone is free to express an opinion about anything.

That is a common misconception. Other measurements of the twin paradox involve gravitational time dilation as well.

The decay of muons has provided verification of Einstein's formula to a high degree of accuracy.

still scratching my head over that one.

Don’t you realize that your pastors are messing up things? This particle has 3 states – left spin (clockwise), right spin (anti-clockwise) and no spin (black-hole). (In fact, some physics prophets use circular motion to ‘illustrate’ the effects of GR: The Elegant Universe by Brain Greene). Special Relativity can handle accelerating objects and/or accelerating reference frames just fine. But don’t bother about the figures- the fact that cosmic ray muons reach to the ground can’t be argued as proof of time dilation.

start studying Tesla’s work instead of the scribbles of the village idiot einstein!

exhausted after a feww hours.

High-energy collisions of protons produce copious numbers of pions, which, in turn, decay into muons. that comparison of the two twins is flawed. Such equations start with the assumption that SOL is the maximum possible speed, and therefore its impossible to get numbers higher than SOL using those equations. {\displaystyle T_{0}}

Everything is light because we live in a holographic universe. Therefore, even the faster decay time of muon-S′ suffices in order to be passed by the moving atmosphere and to be reached by Earth. What time dilation do muon observers experience? EDIT - Can it be the reason, why we don't have any experiment supporting Length Contraction.

Hence, the difference between laboratory and cosmic ray muons, not that they are a different type, but I would interpret the information that I have that the difference is laboratory observations were closer to rest than relativistic speed.

That is, both distance and time measurements must be taken as observed by us from our own reference frame and not what is ‘felt’ by the particle in its frame.

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there’s a website called alternativephysics.org where the author gives an alternative explanation for the muon time dilation issue. Rather that should open up your eyes and make you abandon the religion of relativity. Sorry to say but I see your posting as a lot of Gobbledygook and Bollocks. Ether.

I call it ‘windowdressing and not saying a word.

My view is that these people have a right to their view. By the 1990s, experiments were being done using weather balloons and satellites. Today, time dilation of particles is routinely confirmed in particle accelerators alongside with tests of relativistic energy and momentum, and its consideration is obligatory in the analysis of particle experiments at relativistic velocities. Length: Event B, where the worldline of Earth intersects the x-axis, corresponds in S to the position of Earth simultaneous with the emergence of the muon. Take THIS for example: “But anyway, if the light beam travels at 0.6C ‘vertically’, that destroys the law of constant speed of light and so the witch theory of relativity”.

Furhermore no one is individually attacked. If we are actually in the process of a big crunch and not in a period of cosmic expansion, we should observe a blueshift instead of a redshift.

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Muons traveling to Earth, time dilation question. Thanks Galacar, I really love that statement of Viktor Schauberger. “the most precise experiment ” As if they want to score extra points! The authors claim this also proves the universal speed limit c. http://web.mit.edu/lululiu/Public/pixx/not-pixx/muons.pdf

is the mean proper lifetime of the muons:[3], In 1940 at Echo Lake (3240 m) and Denver in Colorado (1616 m), Bruno Rossi and D. B. Few things are not clear in your thought experiment- for example, you mentioned that the object is travelling at 0.8C, but with reference to whom and in what direction?

But when you apply relativity and time dilation, then the numbers add up.

I am no fan of relativity and time dilation and enjoy your hypotheses. The sun gets its energy from sub-atomic particle spin. From my research on the net, the distance they travel is about 6000m, not 16000, & take about 20uS, but supposedly live about 10x longer due to their speed. Assuming a mean lifetime of 2.2 μs, only 27 muons would reach this location if there were no time dilation. A much more precise experiment of this kind was conducted by David H. Frisch and Smith (1963), who measured approximately 563 muons per hour in six runs on Mount Washington. when muons are created in the atmosphere and fall to earth the earth clock runs faster.

The so called transverse waves that we see on the surface of a pond only represent the surface manifestation of the underlying longitudinal waves.

I call it as commonsense. Why? If it is not for democracy and freedom of speech, your ‘scientific’ crowd would have been punished long ago for propagandizing your absurd religious beliefs as science!

So to know the velocity (v) of an object or particle with respect to us, we need to know the distance (d) travelled by the object/particle as per our scale and we need to know the time (t) elapsed in our clock. This symmetry requires that the decay rates of particles and their antiparticles have to be the same.

As the waves propagate in the pond, they remain parallel to each other and hence don’t cross or interfere with each other. Something living longer is not a proof of time dilation. And I always have to laugh very very loud if someone writes something like And the results have always shown that the properties of muons are the same regardless of where they are measured. I recently developed a paper on a non-relativistic explanation for the unexpectedly (by relativists) high number of atmospheric muons reaching sea level that builds off of some of your ideas. All particles showing up in the detector for one frame will correspond to the termination of the worldlines of the particles, and those worldlines and termination events will be present in all inertial frames.

You too, Peter McMahon. (1977) measured the lifetime of positive and negative muons sent around a loop in the CERN Muon storage ring. If you want to really disprove my hypothesis and claim yourself as sane, then you must try to address each and every statement I have made against your crowd and counter each of them with rational arguments. the law of inertia of motion falls apart. 0 {\displaystyle M} It was only from that ‘speed of light’ came all the misunderstanding and mess in physics (including the wild equation e=mc squared). JavaScript is disabled.

Similarly when I say ‘relativists are stupid’ and go on to explain why, it doesn’t mean that I am personally attacking your crowd.

Anyone is free to express an opinion about anything.

That is a common misconception. Other measurements of the twin paradox involve gravitational time dilation as well.

The decay of muons has provided verification of Einstein's formula to a high degree of accuracy.

still scratching my head over that one.

Don’t you realize that your pastors are messing up things? This particle has 3 states – left spin (clockwise), right spin (anti-clockwise) and no spin (black-hole). (In fact, some physics prophets use circular motion to ‘illustrate’ the effects of GR: The Elegant Universe by Brain Greene). Special Relativity can handle accelerating objects and/or accelerating reference frames just fine. But don’t bother about the figures- the fact that cosmic ray muons reach to the ground can’t be argued as proof of time dilation.

start studying Tesla’s work instead of the scribbles of the village idiot einstein!

exhausted after a feww hours.

High-energy collisions of protons produce copious numbers of pions, which, in turn, decay into muons. that comparison of the two twins is flawed. Such equations start with the assumption that SOL is the maximum possible speed, and therefore its impossible to get numbers higher than SOL using those equations. {\displaystyle T_{0}}

Everything is light because we live in a holographic universe. Therefore, even the faster decay time of muon-S′ suffices in order to be passed by the moving atmosphere and to be reached by Earth. What time dilation do muon observers experience? EDIT - Can it be the reason, why we don't have any experiment supporting Length Contraction.

Hence, the difference between laboratory and cosmic ray muons, not that they are a different type, but I would interpret the information that I have that the difference is laboratory observations were closer to rest than relativistic speed.

That is, both distance and time measurements must be taken as observed by us from our own reference frame and not what is ‘felt’ by the particle in its frame.

0

there’s a website called alternativephysics.org where the author gives an alternative explanation for the muon time dilation issue. Rather that should open up your eyes and make you abandon the religion of relativity. Sorry to say but I see your posting as a lot of Gobbledygook and Bollocks. Ether.

I call it ‘windowdressing and not saying a word.

My view is that these people have a right to their view. By the 1990s, experiments were being done using weather balloons and satellites. Today, time dilation of particles is routinely confirmed in particle accelerators alongside with tests of relativistic energy and momentum, and its consideration is obligatory in the analysis of particle experiments at relativistic velocities. Length: Event B, where the worldline of Earth intersects the x-axis, corresponds in S to the position of Earth simultaneous with the emergence of the muon. Take THIS for example: “But anyway, if the light beam travels at 0.6C ‘vertically’, that destroys the law of constant speed of light and so the witch theory of relativity”.

Furhermore no one is individually attacked. If we are actually in the process of a big crunch and not in a period of cosmic expansion, we should observe a blueshift instead of a redshift.

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muons time dilation

The 2 microsecond lifespan is the time we observed muons at the state of rest,so without time dilation. T

A violation of CPT invariance would also lead to violations of Lorentz invariance and thus special relativity.

What real world interactions, what the bloody fuck are you talking about? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? Are there other examples of “things” travelling faster than SOL?

N I agree that instead of saying ‘much faster’, I could have simply said ‘faster’! What ‘human knowledge”??? science-textbooks?

However, in Bailey et al. Thus, the "slower" muon clock allows more of them to reach the earth's surface. Bailey et al. Time dilation as predicted by special relativity is often verified by means of particle lifetime experiments. I’m not trying to revisit the “tired light” hypothesis of Fritz Zwicky way back in 1929.

Muons traveling to Earth, time dilation question. Thanks Galacar, I really love that statement of Viktor Schauberger. “the most precise experiment ” As if they want to score extra points! The authors claim this also proves the universal speed limit c. http://web.mit.edu/lululiu/Public/pixx/not-pixx/muons.pdf

is the mean proper lifetime of the muons:[3], In 1940 at Echo Lake (3240 m) and Denver in Colorado (1616 m), Bruno Rossi and D. B. Few things are not clear in your thought experiment- for example, you mentioned that the object is travelling at 0.8C, but with reference to whom and in what direction?

But when you apply relativity and time dilation, then the numbers add up.

I am no fan of relativity and time dilation and enjoy your hypotheses. The sun gets its energy from sub-atomic particle spin. From my research on the net, the distance they travel is about 6000m, not 16000, & take about 20uS, but supposedly live about 10x longer due to their speed. Assuming a mean lifetime of 2.2 μs, only 27 muons would reach this location if there were no time dilation. A much more precise experiment of this kind was conducted by David H. Frisch and Smith (1963), who measured approximately 563 muons per hour in six runs on Mount Washington. when muons are created in the atmosphere and fall to earth the earth clock runs faster.

The so called transverse waves that we see on the surface of a pond only represent the surface manifestation of the underlying longitudinal waves.

I call it as commonsense. Why? If it is not for democracy and freedom of speech, your ‘scientific’ crowd would have been punished long ago for propagandizing your absurd religious beliefs as science!

So to know the velocity (v) of an object or particle with respect to us, we need to know the distance (d) travelled by the object/particle as per our scale and we need to know the time (t) elapsed in our clock. This symmetry requires that the decay rates of particles and their antiparticles have to be the same.

As the waves propagate in the pond, they remain parallel to each other and hence don’t cross or interfere with each other. Something living longer is not a proof of time dilation. And I always have to laugh very very loud if someone writes something like And the results have always shown that the properties of muons are the same regardless of where they are measured. I recently developed a paper on a non-relativistic explanation for the unexpectedly (by relativists) high number of atmospheric muons reaching sea level that builds off of some of your ideas. All particles showing up in the detector for one frame will correspond to the termination of the worldlines of the particles, and those worldlines and termination events will be present in all inertial frames.

You too, Peter McMahon. (1977) measured the lifetime of positive and negative muons sent around a loop in the CERN Muon storage ring. If you want to really disprove my hypothesis and claim yourself as sane, then you must try to address each and every statement I have made against your crowd and counter each of them with rational arguments. the law of inertia of motion falls apart. 0 {\displaystyle M} It was only from that ‘speed of light’ came all the misunderstanding and mess in physics (including the wild equation e=mc squared). JavaScript is disabled.

Similarly when I say ‘relativists are stupid’ and go on to explain why, it doesn’t mean that I am personally attacking your crowd.

Anyone is free to express an opinion about anything.

That is a common misconception. Other measurements of the twin paradox involve gravitational time dilation as well.

The decay of muons has provided verification of Einstein's formula to a high degree of accuracy.

still scratching my head over that one.

Don’t you realize that your pastors are messing up things? This particle has 3 states – left spin (clockwise), right spin (anti-clockwise) and no spin (black-hole). (In fact, some physics prophets use circular motion to ‘illustrate’ the effects of GR: The Elegant Universe by Brain Greene). Special Relativity can handle accelerating objects and/or accelerating reference frames just fine. But don’t bother about the figures- the fact that cosmic ray muons reach to the ground can’t be argued as proof of time dilation.

start studying Tesla’s work instead of the scribbles of the village idiot einstein!

exhausted after a feww hours.

High-energy collisions of protons produce copious numbers of pions, which, in turn, decay into muons. that comparison of the two twins is flawed. Such equations start with the assumption that SOL is the maximum possible speed, and therefore its impossible to get numbers higher than SOL using those equations. {\displaystyle T_{0}}

Everything is light because we live in a holographic universe. Therefore, even the faster decay time of muon-S′ suffices in order to be passed by the moving atmosphere and to be reached by Earth. What time dilation do muon observers experience? EDIT - Can it be the reason, why we don't have any experiment supporting Length Contraction.

Hence, the difference between laboratory and cosmic ray muons, not that they are a different type, but I would interpret the information that I have that the difference is laboratory observations were closer to rest than relativistic speed.

That is, both distance and time measurements must be taken as observed by us from our own reference frame and not what is ‘felt’ by the particle in its frame.

0

there’s a website called alternativephysics.org where the author gives an alternative explanation for the muon time dilation issue. Rather that should open up your eyes and make you abandon the religion of relativity. Sorry to say but I see your posting as a lot of Gobbledygook and Bollocks. Ether.

I call it ‘windowdressing and not saying a word.

My view is that these people have a right to their view. By the 1990s, experiments were being done using weather balloons and satellites. Today, time dilation of particles is routinely confirmed in particle accelerators alongside with tests of relativistic energy and momentum, and its consideration is obligatory in the analysis of particle experiments at relativistic velocities. Length: Event B, where the worldline of Earth intersects the x-axis, corresponds in S to the position of Earth simultaneous with the emergence of the muon. Take THIS for example: “But anyway, if the light beam travels at 0.6C ‘vertically’, that destroys the law of constant speed of light and so the witch theory of relativity”.

Furhermore no one is individually attacked. If we are actually in the process of a big crunch and not in a period of cosmic expansion, we should observe a blueshift instead of a redshift.

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